How do you measure the success of your podcast that is NOT downloads

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So many times I ask podcasters,

 

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why are you doing the podcast? And they'll say that, who's it for? Great.

 

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What do you talk about? Great. And then I'll ask, well, how do you measure

 

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your success? And I get nothing. Like, they've never

 

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even thought about that. And I see a lot of podcasters

 

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that will stop their show because they're not getting as many

 

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downloads as they think they should. And so

 

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I thought I wouldn't get any responses when I made the Question of

 

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the month. How do you measure your success? That's not

 

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downloads. And instead of not getting any responses,

 

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I got a ton. And some of them are very

 

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unique, like this one from my buddy, Scott Johnson.

 

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Hi, Dave. Scott Johnson here. This is one of those times when I heard

 

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your request for the Question of the month replies and I thought to myself, yeah,

 

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I'm going to do that. But of course, life happens. And I didn't get

 

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around to it. And it was your email on the night before the deadline

 

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that served as a reminder. So here I am. Just a quick

 

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side here. I changed the format of my email and

 

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I only asked for two things and one of them was to answer the question

 

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of the month. So by breaking format, you might grab people's attention.

 

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Let's go back to Scott. My podcast is my full time job and the

 

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download numbers are something I have to keep track of. But I

 

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definitely measure success in other ways. And one

 

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of those is how does my show have a real life

 

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effect on my listeners? And over the past eight years,

 

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roughly 260 episodes, I've had some wonderful

 

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examples of that. One of my earliest episodes was with a

 

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man who had donated a kidney to a stranger. He

 

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told all the details and it was especially heartwarming because he

 

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was able to meet the recipient of his kidney. Well, since that

 

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episode went live in 2018, I've received a number

 

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of messages from people who said they heard that story and

 

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made the decision to donate a kidney. And I've since done

 

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another story with a kidney donor. So that has been

 

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quite gratifying and I call that a success.

 

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I did another episode with a man who found a newborn baby

 

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in the New York City subway and just by an

 

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interesting turn of events, ended up actually adopting that

 

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baby. And there was a woman who heard that episode and

 

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she had been considering adopting, but thought that she

 

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wasn't really qualified or wasn't sure she would be a good parent.

 

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But she heard that story. And the fact that these two men who

 

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adopted the subway baby had no skills but they did have lots

 

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of love to give, and so she decided that she was

 

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going to go ahead and pursue adopting a baby of her own.

 

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I call that a success. And one more example, my

 

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very first episode was with a woman who accidentally

 

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caused a fatal accident. She wasn't driving

 

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distracted, didn't even have the radio on. And that's partly what was

 

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in her favor in that case. And she was not indicted.

 

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If she happened to be on her phone, the grand jury may have

 

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seen things differently. So she's a big advocate of

 

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not driving distracted. And I've had lots of listeners

 

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tell me that her story is what makes them put down their

 

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phone while they're driving. So I call that a success, too.

 

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And there have been others, but you get the idea. Big downloads are great,

 

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but if you can make a difference in someone's life, that's even better.

 

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My show is called what Was that Like? And each episode is a conversation with

 

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a regular person who's been through something extremely unusual

 

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like a plane crash, a monkey attack, or witnessing

 

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a murder. Even the guest just comes on the show and tells the

 

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details of what happened. It's on all the podcast apps or

 

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at the website whatwostatlike.com and I'll have

 

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links to Scott's website and everybody's website

 

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1042 and I didn't think anybody

 

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was going to answer this question. I do use chapters, so

 

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you grow your show. Why? Because so many people quit because

 

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they're focused on what might be the wrong thing.

 

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Downloads are probably going to kind of get phased out. I would love to see

 

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now I did get a fair number of responses and

 

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I'm so grateful for that. That really filled up my heart.

 

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But I am going to try in some cases. If you sent in, I don't

 

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know, a 27 minute answer and I cut it down to four,

 

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please don't be offended. I always try to use every

 

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answer that comes in. So with that, let's go over

 

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to Kate. Hi Dave, My name is Kate Carpenter and I run a

 

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podcast called Drafting the Past. In it, I interview

 

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historians not about the subject of their books, but about how

 

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they research and write history. The way that I

 

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measure success other than downloads is whenever a

 

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historian acknowledges the podcast in the acknowledgment

 

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section of a new book. This is so huge for me because it's a

 

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way of showing that the podcast is really helping writers to build

 

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confidence and finish their projects. It's only happened a few times

 

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so far, but man, what a great feeling of success when it does. Thanks.

 

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That's amazing. Check out her

 

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show@draftthepast.com Next we got

 

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Mark from practicalprepping.info hello Dave,

 

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Mark Lawley here from Practical Prepping. The way we really

 

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measure success of our podcast comes down to engagement in

 

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three main areas. First, and this is our favorite, is

 

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feedback. We love getting emails from listeners

 

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answering their questions and hearing their stories. That kind of

 

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connection means more to us than any stats ever could.

 

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Second is listener retention. How long are people

 

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actually listening to our podcast? That tells us whether

 

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the episode resonated and held their attention.

 

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Third is follow through. Are listeners taking action

 

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on what we share? We track that through our lead magnets

 

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and our newsletter signups. Another indicator for

 

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us is affiliate commissions and discount code usage.

 

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If folks are choosing to buy through our links, that tells

 

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us they trust what we recommend. And that's important.

 

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Dave, Krista and I truly appreciate all you've done for us

 

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and and for podcasters everywhere. Again, this is

 

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Mark Lawley. Our podcast is Practical Prepping, where

 

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we teach people how to be prepared for things that actually

 

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happen to normal people. You can find

 

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us@practicalprepping.info

 

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podcast. Thank you so much, Mark. Proving again,

 

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lots of different ways to measure your success outside of

 

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downloads. Next up, another school of podcasting member, Nancy

 

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May. Hey Dave, it's Nancy Mae from Family Tree Food Stories. The one thing I

 

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do is I listen back to my first episode. Not to torture myself.

 

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Although listening to those early episodes does provide plenty

 

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of humility. It also helps me know how far I have come.

 

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Right now I'm also working with a new co host and my motto has always

 

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been progress over perfection, so I'm trying to help her

 

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over that hump as well. The needle doesn't have to leap across the

 

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room, it just has to move forward. I also judge

 

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success by whether I'm still learning something in the content, because if I'm

 

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bored, the listener's gonna smell it through the microphone. Okay, I'm

 

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a food show. Pun intended. I'm still editing some of my

 

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shows, although I am working with a new editor and we're trying to get our

 

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groove there too. But as I'm listening, while I'm editing, I listen

 

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for am I engaged? Am I forcing it? Or are the

 

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dreaded uhms ahs, you know, and my personal favorite

 

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so happening more frequently than I really want them

 

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to? And as we all love in podcasting, feedback matters,

 

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especially with people that we know like and trust. And Dave,

 

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one of my favorite things in working with you is that you do listening parties.

 

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I've gotten great feedback on those. Next episode is about

 

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trolls and feedback, so follow the

 

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show@schoolofpodcasting.com follow let's go back to

 

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Nancy. And finally, this is the toughest one to listen to,

 

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but my husband Bob, he's a great critic, but if I

 

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can survive his comments and don't get too upset

 

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or he really likes it, I know I've got a winner.

 

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You can listen to my podcast by going to

 

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podcast.familytreefoodstories.com because as I

 

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like to say, every meal has a story, and every story is a feast.

 

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And honestly, it could be a podcast, too. I hope every

 

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podcast you listen to is a feast. See you later. Thank you,

 

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Nancy. When Mr. Beast, the famous YouTuber started,

 

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he just tried to make the next episode better than the previous one.

 

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Next up, we have Buck. Hi Dave. It's Buck, podcast editor and

 

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producer at large. For me, true success is about impact.

 

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A huge part of that is the direct engagement we have with folks, the actual

 

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volume and quality of communication that we have with the community that we

 

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serve. When we get word that prominent leaders are consuming our materials and

 

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using them to influence policy or investment and acquisition

 

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strategies, or even just to further professional discourse, that's a

 

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massive win for us. And just to give you some context,

 

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Buck is involved with the US Army War College. We

 

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regularly tell our guests it doesn't matter if your episode gets 10 downloads

 

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or 10,000, if just one person listens, who's in a position

 

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to drive the change you just explained, you've succeeded.

 

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Beyond that, the ultimate proof of our reach is seeing the work applied in the

 

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real world. We know we're hitting the mark when our episodes and articles are

 

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integrated into academic curricula or when they're cited or republished

 

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by other respected media outlets. Finally, I certainly don't

 

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disregard downloads, and I know the question was other than downloads.

 

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But I don't just use them to compare us to other shows. I use them

 

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strictly internally to understand what topics hit home, which

 

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episodes resonate and which ones miss the mark. The data often runs counter to

 

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our expectations. We think we know exactly what the listener wants, but they still

 

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surprise us from time to time. Anyway, that's how we define success.

 

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Thanks. Thank you, Buck. And yeah, it's interesting.

 

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Last week I talked about if you're getting the most out of rss, and I

 

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thought, boy, this is awfully nerdy. And I got a fair amount of feedback of

 

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people that said, wow, I thought I understood this, but obviously

 

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I did not. And so I got a fair amount of feedback. That's always great

 

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to hear. Next up, we got Ralph. Hey, Dave, it's

 

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Ralph. It's so easy to get stuck on that download

 

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number, and that will just wear you down after a while. So the things

 

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that I actually measure in my world is

 

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feedback. Now, that's a tough one because you might put a ton of stuff out

 

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there and only get a little bit of feedback. I love it when I get

 

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a voicemail message or if someone sends me an email that just

 

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makes my day. I put those up here in the studio. Another thing I

 

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look at, for me is the financial impact are

 

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people coming to me and wanting to get services from me

 

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because of my content. To me, that's really moved the needle. And

 

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that's the thing. Again, this is depending upon whether you want to be a hobbyist

 

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or you want to be a business person in it. But for me, my whole

 

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deal is trying to make money with it and building my brand. So

 

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I look at feedback and I look at revenue dollars. The

 

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other thing I look at, and I don't think you can undersell this, is are

 

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you enjoying what you're doing? Because the truth is, I went through a

 

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season doing my work where I really wasn't enjoying it anymore. I

 

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had everything scripted out. Everything was well planned, but, man, the

 

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enjoyment was just gone. A few months ago, I decided, you know what, I

 

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got to get back to the basics. And. And I just talk now. I've got

 

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some bullet points and those sort of things, but I'm not reading from a script.

 

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And let me just tell you, Dave, that has made all the difference. And if

 

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you want to find out more about me, the Ecosphere, which is

 

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Ralph is@askralph.com I do daily

 

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shows, weekly shows, and listen to this one. In September I'm

 

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going to be launching a brand new show. It's going to be a daily call

 

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in show. It is going to be called Becoming Financially Confident.

 

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And I believe Ralph is still looking for a co host for that show. He's

 

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looking for a female who is not financially confident. So you

 

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don't need to be a, you know, finance guru. And of course, everything

 

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Ralph you can find@askralph.com and I

 

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had mentioned how I didn't think people could answer this question.

 

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And one person that was like, what are you talking about? Dave was the one

 

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and only Steve Stewart. Hey Dave. Hey SOP family. It's Steve at

 

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stevestewart Me, where I help personal finance podcasters

 

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make better podcasts. Okay, I've been doing this for 16 plus years,

 

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so I get it. Downloads is actually not a very

 

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good measurement of success. In fact, I think it's the wrong measurement

 

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of success. Now, seeing overall downloads for a show grow over

 

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time, yes, that is a good goal. There is some success in there. But

 

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you can't measure a good episode by downloads. How

 

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does a person know that an episode was good until they've heard it? And how

 

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can they hear it until after they've downloaded it? There's no way of knowing the

 

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download comes first and then they can judge for itself. So what that usually indicates

 

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is they had a great title or good marketing to get people to hover

 

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their finger over that play button and actually press it. Whereas some of their best

 

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episodes actually might be one of their worst downloaded and it's because

 

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the episode was titled wrong or their marketing didn't work. Instead,

 

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if somebody wants to look at some real hard data to see if an episode

 

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was good, then I go to the analytics, Apple Analytics, Spotify Analytics.

 

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They tell you a whole bunch of really good stuff, but really the consumption rate

 

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or completion rate, that's the gold. That is the gold right there.

 

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That is the measurement that somebody should be looking at and I think they should

 

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be looking at on a regular basis. Although I'm really guilty of not doing that

 

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myself. The way I measure

 

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success with the podcast is

 

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response to the episode. Would somebody move to either

 

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email me or share the show with somebody else, or make a comment on the

 

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Facebook post about the episode or join the podcast at our

 

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academy? I mean, that's the ultimate goal of the podcast at our Mastermind show is

 

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get people to join my academy. That's success. That's

 

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so much more valuable than a download number. The real

 

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measurement of success in my mind is getting a listener

 

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to move to do something. I want them to change, I

 

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want them to share it with somebody else. This has been Steve Stewart from

 

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stevestewart. Me, host of the Podcast Editor Mastermind

 

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show and founder of the Podcast Editor Academy, as well as an editor for personal

 

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finance podcasters. Thanks, Dave. So well put. How

 

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do you want to move your audience? And that might just mean, you know, they

 

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were not happy when they started listening and they left

 

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glad or, you know, improved somehow in their

 

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attitude. Also, before we get off the Steve Stewart train,

 

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congratulations on your daughter's wedding. Next

 

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up, it's time to take a little trip. Take a little trip.

 

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This is Tripp from the Homebrewed Christianity podcast.

 

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I started it in 2008. The three

 

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biggest things that I use to measure other than

 

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downloads our first email list. I started doing

 

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it about, I don't know, six years or so into the

 

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podcast and at this point my substack process this has

 

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over 75,000 people on it. A second one

 

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is I do some online classes like four to six week things on the

 

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topic of the podcast, kind of theology, philosophy, religion science

 

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type stuff and how many total people take the

 

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classes over the year. And it's, you know, gone from 30 or

 

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40 people in a class to two to 4,000, you know,

 

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over the time of the podcast. And last are like live events

 

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we'll do. We started doing live podcasts in breweries way back in

 

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the day before live podcast was a thing and now do a big

 

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event every year called theology beer camp and it's grown where at this

 

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point we'll sell out 6, 700 seats

 

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depending on how big a space we have. And I'll have 30 other

 

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God pods like 30 different scholars and

 

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a whole bunch of people that listen to more progressive

 

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Christian justice related podcasts come and

 

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all those things I think signal a community and

 

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not just oh I like this episode or I wanted to hear a conversation with

 

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this or was interested in this topic, but engagement

 

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that says I'll let you send an email or I'll pay to join a

 

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class and oh, the last thing I'd say

 

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I measure success of a podcast if they're a fan of Dave Jackson.

 

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Ah, thank you so much for that trip. Here's somebody you should know.

 

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Hi Dave, this is Spencer from the recovery show at

 

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therecovery show. I and my

 

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guests share our experience, our strengths, our hope as we

 

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recover from the effects of somebody else's drinking or drugging

 

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on our own lives. Our conversations often center on the 12

 

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steps of the Al Anon program, but you don't have to be a member of

 

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Al Anon to get something out of the podcast.

 

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For me, they come under the word engagement.

 

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So how do I measure engagement? Well, here are three measures,

 

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probably more, but this is what I thought of first, direct

 

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feedback. How many emails and voice messages do I get

 

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when I solicit contributions for a topic? How many people respond?

 

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2 offers to be a guest on the show.

 

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These are especially important to me when a listener

 

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suggests a topic that I haven't covered in the previous

 

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450 some odd episodes, or from a listener

 

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who may have a unique take on a particular topic that we have talked about

 

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before. And third, financial support

 

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from listeners. I do include most

 

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feedback messages, emails, voicemails in the podcast,

 

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of course, after the main topic discussion, and

 

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I often get responses to these messages which says to me that

 

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there are at least some listeners who are listening to the end of the episode.

 

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I see that as a measure of success in keeping my listeners engaged.

 

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I have enough guest offers to provide a continuous

 

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backlog of topics success. And

 

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I've been able to cover the podcast expenses for the most part with

 

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the support that people have sent me. Also success.

 

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Thanks for prompting me to think about this question. This is Spencer

 

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from the Recovery show signing off. Thank you

 

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Spencer. And as someone who was married to a flaming alcoholic for

 

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10 years, I needed your show back then. I wish it was

 

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podcasting didn't exist back then, but if you're in that situation

 

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again, I'll have links to everybody's show. Just go out to

 

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schoolofpodcasting.com

 

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42 hi, my

 

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name is Travis Roden from bestie

 

10 00:20:08

approved@bestyapproved.com where my best friend Emma and I

 

10 00:20:12

talk about pop culture and women on reality TV that raised

 

10 00:20:16

us. Okay, Travis, I'm going to jump in here. As someone who doesn't watch

 

10 00:20:19

any housewives or reality tv, that made me laugh and I

 

10 00:20:23

want to go listen to your show. My measure of success on the POD is

 

10 00:20:26

how often someone says that we made them laugh while they were listening because

 

10 00:20:30

okay, I'm going to hop in here again. I didn't know that's what he was

 

10 00:20:33

going to say. But you, you're making me laugh already. So

 

10 00:20:37

success, my friend. The whole reason we started this show is for people to have

 

10 00:20:40

a good time when the rest of the world is chaos. There you go,

 

10 00:20:44

Travis. Short and to the point. Thank you, my friend. Next up, we have

 

10 00:20:47

Ashriel. Hi Dave. I'm Ashriel Huber from the Called

 

10 00:20:51

and Curious podcast around here. We grab a cup of

 

10 00:20:55

coffee, laugh a spend some time with Jesus, learn a little

 

10 00:20:59

brain science, and enjoy what I like to call little

 

10 00:21:02

inside out makeovers. Using everyday stories and

 

10 00:21:06

practical tools to help women experience life a little more

 

10 00:21:09

beautifully. So when I think about success beyond downloads,

 

10 00:21:13

I look for evidence of transformation. I'm looking for the

 

10 00:21:17

email that says, oh, I never thought about it that way before, or

 

10 00:21:21

you know, I actually handled that conversation differently, Ash.

 

10 00:21:24

Or I finally understand why my brain does that. Or

 

10 00:21:28

maybe even I spent a little time with Jesus this morning because

 

10 00:21:32

of your episode downloads. Tell me they heard it.

 

10 00:21:35

Transformation tells me they lived it. So for

 

10 00:21:39

me, success is measured by how many people start living a little

 

10 00:21:43

differently, a little more beautifully because of what

 

10 00:21:47

they heard. Thank you, Ash. And just so you know, if you go to

 

10 00:21:50

schoolofpodcasting.com I

 

10 00:21:53

actually it was a great booking. I got to interview Jesus on

 

10 00:21:57

this very show. He talked about his book, all sorts of stuff.

 

10 00:22:01

It's always great. We had a few of these brand new people I've never

 

10 00:22:05

heard contribute. So thank you Ashriel. But when I heard this one,

 

10 00:22:08

I was like, oh, it's my buddy Zoe. Hello Dave. Hello everyone.

 

10 00:22:13

My name is Zoe. I want to let everybody know about

 

10 00:22:16

Backlit Cinema, the podcast. This is where we

 

10 00:22:20

take a look back at the movies of yesteryear, especially the movies of the

 

10 00:22:23

70s, 80s and 90s. And besides talking about

 

10 00:22:28

our favorite parts, the actors, the directors, the musicians,

 

10 00:22:31

and all of the people gathered together to make a wonderful story

 

10 00:22:35

that we all enjoy. I also like to try sometimes to

 

10 00:22:38

connect the events of the movie to what goes

 

10 00:22:42

on in today's time. If you're interested,

 

10 00:22:46

you can check out the website

 

10 00:22:49

www.backlitcinema.com.

 

10 00:22:52

and nostalgia is something that is growing now. If you look at all the

 

10 00:22:56

movies and stuff, it's all, they're just reselling our childhood back

 

10 00:23:00

to us. And how does Zoe measure success? Engagement,

 

10 00:23:04

being able to communicate with your listeners.

 

10 00:23:08

And that could be through emails, comments on

 

10 00:23:12

YouTube or Spotify, comments on social

 

10 00:23:16

media, even Apple Podcast ratings

 

10 00:23:20

can be a kind of engagement.

 

10 00:23:24

People sharing your podcasts through social media,

 

10 00:23:28

people buying your merch, or podcasters

 

10 00:23:31

inviting you to be on their show,

 

10 00:23:35

or accepting an invitation to be on your

 

10 00:23:38

show. Those are the things I think about when I think of

 

10 00:23:42

success or gauging success. In

 

10 00:23:47

the podcasting game without thinking about download

 

10 00:23:50

numbers. Have a Nice day, everyone.

 

10 00:23:53

Backlookcinema.com is Zo's site. And again, I'll have

 

10 00:23:56

links to Everybody's site@schoolofpodcasting.com

 

10 00:23:59

1042. Next up, we have Jen. Hi, this

 

10 00:24:03

is Jennifer Hensel from the Women in podcasting

 

10 00:24:05

show@womenpodcasters.com where we elevate women's

 

10 00:24:09

voices globally. Globally and in the podcasting industry. The

 

10 00:24:12

metrics that matter the most to me are three things that all work

 

10 00:24:16

together. Number one is lead magnet signups and growing my email

 

10 00:24:20

list. Number two is the growth of our free online

 

10 00:24:24

communities so, for example, our Facebook, LinkedIn and school

 

10 00:24:27

groups. And number three is new member signups to

 

10 00:24:31

the women Podcasters network. Those measurements tell me we're building

 

10 00:24:35

real relationships and a thriving community, not just attracting

 

10 00:24:39

listeners. So for me, it's all about community.

 

10 00:24:43

And one more thing, Anything I know about podcasting is thanks to

 

10 00:24:46

Dave. He's the best. Oh, thank you, Jen. You make me blush.

 

10 00:24:50

And if you like the logo of fix my podcast or

 

10 00:24:54

how to pitch a podcast, or ask the podcast coach or

 

10 00:24:57

schoolofpodcasting.com, it's because of this guy.

 

10 00:25:01

He's a great graphic designer. Podcastbranding Co. The

 

10 00:25:05

one and only Mark. Hi, Dave, it's Mark DeCote here from

 

10 00:25:08

Podcastbranding. Co. I want to talk about my

 

10 00:25:11

podcast network@solotalkmedia.com, which is

 

10 00:25:15

my television fan show network. And I want

 

10 00:25:19

to talk about how I measured success on those shows. You got to understand,

 

10 00:25:23

my shows are feedback driven show. I don't have a

 

10 00:25:27

co host. It's just me and my audience. And

 

10 00:25:30

what I do is I have them send in feedback. After,

 

10 00:25:34

say, one of the television shows an episode airs, then

 

10 00:25:38

we'll discuss it and they send in feedback. And I've had upwards of

 

10 00:25:41

60 people sending in feedback for an episode. So it's a discussion

 

10 00:25:45

kind of between me and them. But to measure success

 

10 00:25:49

beyond the downloads is just how much fun I have talking about the

 

10 00:25:53

television show and how much fun I have interacting with my

 

10 00:25:56

audience. Some people started off with my very first show, under

 

10 00:26:00

the Dome, and have followed me on every podcast I've done on

 

10 00:26:04

various different TV shows just because they love the community.

 

10 00:26:08

And let me tell you, download wise, I had one show for the

 

10 00:26:11

Expanse podcast that was regularly getting over

 

10 00:26:15

10,000 downloads per episode. And while that

 

10 00:26:18

television show was airing, there was another television show that I was also

 

10 00:26:22

podcasting about called Killjoys. And that one, Dave, I

 

10 00:26:26

was getting roughly about 40 downloads per episode.

 

10 00:26:29

So I was doing two podcasts at the same time, one getting 10,000

 

10 00:26:33

downloads, one getting 40 downloads. And I could tell you I had

 

10 00:26:36

just as much fun doing both of them. The numbers didn't matter to me

 

10 00:26:40

because whether it was 10,000 people listening or 40 people

 

10 00:26:44

listening, I was doing it because I wanted to talk about the

 

10 00:26:47

television shows that I loved. And that's exactly what I was doing.

 

10 00:26:51

I was satisfying my itch for podcasting at the time

 

10 00:26:54

and just the interaction with the audience, as I said,

 

10 00:26:58

was all the payment that I needed. So in that instance, that's how

 

10 00:27:02

I measured success is by how much fun I had. Once

 

10 00:27:05

again, Mark Decote, the network of television shows

 

10 00:27:09

is@solotalk media.com and of course you know me better from

 

10 00:27:12

podcast branding co where I help podcasters with their visual

 

10 00:27:16

branding needs. Thanks, Dave. Thanks Mark. If you are new

 

10 00:27:20

to the show, I love accents and Mark is Canadian and he

 

10 00:27:24

said about like legit about like not a weird

 

10 00:27:27

American trying to sound like like that was a legit about from a

 

10 00:27:31

Canadian. I'm so happy. I am Chris of Cool Cars with

 

10 00:27:34

Chris, my brand new show. I've been podcasting for a little while, since

 

10 00:27:38

2019. The most important thing above all else

 

10 00:27:41

when it comes to podcast measurement, in my opinion,

 

10 00:27:46

is fun. F u n fun, baby.

 

10 00:27:50

Are you having fun doing your show? If you're not, then what's the point?

 

10 00:27:54

I know that other measurements are out there, like downloads and

 

10 00:27:58

views on YouTube and things like that. Listen, I've had millions of views on

 

10 00:28:01

YouTube with millions of views across social media, blah, blah,

 

10 00:28:05

blah, whatever. But the most important thing to me has been having

 

10 00:28:08

fun. My new show here, Cool Cars with Chris has been around not even a

 

10 00:28:12

year yet and for some reason on Instagram

 

10 00:28:16

it's actually blown up quite a bit. I've actually, as I record

 

10 00:28:20

this right now I am somewhere in the ballpark of

 

10 00:28:24

5,500 followers and growing every single day

 

10 00:28:28

on Instagram. But the most important thing, like I said, is

 

10 00:28:31

I am actually having fun doing this show. I get to do things

 

10 00:28:35

I've never done in podcasting before. Taking the show on

 

10 00:28:39

the road, live events, recording from a live racetrack,

 

10 00:28:43

with video and audio, putting it all together, mixing,

 

10 00:28:46

mastering, doing short form video, YouTube video. I'm

 

10 00:28:50

having fun doing all this stuff. So when it comes to

 

10 00:28:54

podcast success for me is having fun.

 

10 00:28:58

It's gotta be top numero uno. So if you want

 

10 00:29:01

to have a good time hanging out, talking about cars because I own a cool

 

10 00:29:05

car. My co host has a cool car. We're diving into other cool car or

 

10 00:29:08

even car related topics on the show Cool Cars with Chris. You can find

 

10 00:29:12

it at coolcars with chris.com and let's make

 

10 00:29:16

podcasting fun again. The school of

 

10 00:29:20

podcasting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, thanks

 

10 00:29:23

again to everyone who has written in. And here is another person that I go

 

10 00:29:27

hey, I know two other people on this episode that you should probably talk

 

10 00:29:31

to. Here's Howard L. Hi Dave. My name is Howard L.

 

10 00:29:35

And I'm a recovering alcoholic with more than 38 years of continuous

 

10 00:29:38

sobriety thanks to Alcoholics Anonymous. I just want to jump in here

 

10 00:29:42

and say congrats. I know it's not easy. I'm the creator, producer and

 

10 00:29:46

host of the podcast and AA Recovery Interviews

 

10 00:29:49

where Alcoholics Anonymous members from around the world share their

 

10 00:29:53

stories of experience, strength and hope. In each episode,

 

10 00:29:57

guests describe what it was like to live as a hopeless alcoholic,

 

10 00:30:00

what brought them into aa, and how working the AA program has

 

10 00:30:04

restored and enriched their lives. When I launched

 

10 00:30:08

AA Recovery Interviews more than five years ago, my goal was

 

10 00:30:11

simple. To give recovering alcoholics and their loved ones

 

10 00:30:15

an engaging way to learn what AA is all about and to find

 

10 00:30:19

hope in the stories of others. But measuring success

 

10 00:30:22

has never been straightforward. AA's traditions

 

10 00:30:26

discourage promotion and place great value on personal

 

10 00:30:29

anonymity. We don't advertise, endorse outside

 

10 00:30:33

organizations, or seek public recognition. As a result,

 

10 00:30:37

conventional growth metrics tell only part of the story.

 

10 00:30:40

I'm grateful that AA Recovery interviews has surpassed

 

10 00:30:43

750,000 downloads and my Big Book podcast

 

10 00:30:47

has exceeded more than 400,000. These numbers are

 

10 00:30:51

encouraging, but they are not the measure that matters the most. Oh,

 

10 00:30:54

I'm going to pop in here. What a great line. Did you just lean in?

 

10 00:30:57

That's a great way to set up. The payoff pitch is

 

10 00:31:01

with that line. Let's hear that again. These numbers are encouraging, but they are

 

10 00:31:05

not the measure that matters the most. The real

 

10 00:31:08

measure arrives in the emails I receive from listeners who tell me

 

10 00:31:12

a particular interview. Help them stay sober, return to meetings,

 

10 00:31:16

find a sponsor, work the steps, or simply make it through another day

 

10 00:31:19

without a drink. So how do I measure success?

 

10 00:31:24

One life at a time. I believe that there are people alive and sober

 

10 00:31:27

today because they heard a story on AA Recovery Interviews that

 

10 00:31:31

resonated with them at exactly the right moment. If

 

10 00:31:34

even one suffering alcoholic finds hope, seeks help, and

 

10 00:31:38

discovers the life changing fellowship of alcoholics and anas because of this

 

10 00:31:42

podcast, then every hour, every dollar and every effort

 

10 00:31:46

invested has been worthwhile for me. That

 

10 00:31:49

is success, that is service, and that is why I continue

 

10 00:31:53

this journey. Thanks, Dave. Thank you, Howard. And at the

 

10 00:31:57

heart of every podcaster, you will hear this. That is service.

 

10 00:32:00

And now we need to get Eric coming up here connected with

 

10 00:32:04

Mark and his TV network because, well, here's Eric.

 

10 00:32:08

Hey, Dave. I'm Eric and I am one of the hosts of the Steel

 

10 00:32:12

Watching podcast, which is a rewatch podcast of the

 

10 00:32:15

1980s TV series Remington Steel. And we can be

 

10 00:32:18

found@steelwatching.com and as a

 

10 00:32:22

reminder, steele is spelled with that extra E on the end. So it's S T

 

10 00:32:26

E e l e watching.com and

 

10 00:32:30

that's where I would buy both versions of that domain and point it at your

 

10 00:32:34

website. We look at the interactions between

 

10 00:32:37

ourselves and our listeners and our listeners and other fans of

 

10 00:32:41

the show that we can directly attribute to

 

10 00:32:45

our podcast. Because we take the episodes in the order in which

 

10 00:32:49

they aired, the listeners of our podcast

 

10 00:32:52

know which is the next episode coming up. We release twice a month.

 

10 00:32:56

Conversations start in the Facebook group about the

 

10 00:33:00

upcoming podcast episode. And many of the people who post will actually

 

10 00:33:04

reference this as being related to the

 

10 00:33:07

upcoming podcast episode. So there is a

 

10 00:33:11

direct indicator of people having

 

10 00:33:14

listened to our show and continuing to listen to our show. We also

 

10 00:33:18

have people who join the group and say that they heard about the

 

10 00:33:22

group through our podcast. So again, another direct

 

10 00:33:26

indicator that people are listening to our podcast.

 

10 00:33:29

So we know that we are having an influence in this community

 

10 00:33:33

through our podcast. But there's another indicator that

 

10 00:33:37

we use, and I know this is going to sound like a humble brag, but

 

10 00:33:41

it's simply the truth. We have very strong financial

 

10 00:33:44

support from our listeners. We typically run

 

10 00:33:48

100 to 150 downloads in the 7 day period after

 

10 00:33:52

a release of an episode, which is, as you know, a rough

 

10 00:33:56

indicator of how many people are subscribed to your show. Not necessarily how many

 

10 00:33:59

people actually listened to to the episode, but how many people are subscribed.

 

10 00:34:04

But if we take that number and we do some math,

 

10 00:34:07

then somewhere between 10 and 15% of our

 

10 00:34:11

presumed subscribers donate to us to help

 

10 00:34:15

cover our costs on the podcast. Now, I do

 

10 00:34:19

not judge that as the measure of success. I view that

 

10 00:34:22

as a layer on top of the primary

 

10 00:34:26

level of success, which is that base layer. We have

 

10 00:34:30

people listening and we know that because we can see from

 

10 00:34:33

their own communications, their own words that they post online

 

10 00:34:37

that they are listening, but it's a second layer on top.

 

10 00:34:41

And if you don't mind me getting philosophical for a moment here? I think there's

 

10 00:34:45

a lot of people who start a podcast and they define

 

10 00:34:49

a success that they want to achieve, and then once they

 

10 00:34:52

achieve that, they establish a new indicator that they want to

 

10 00:34:56

achieve, which isn't a problem as long as they remember to keep it as a

 

10 00:34:59

layer on top of the primary indicator of success. But

 

10 00:35:03

unfortunately, I think there's a lot of people out there that say, okay, I've got

 

10 00:35:06

this new goal for success, this new definition of

 

10 00:35:10

success, and everything that I did before is

 

10 00:35:13

invalid if I don't achieve this new

 

10 00:35:17

level of success. And I think that's where some

 

10 00:35:21

people wind up being unsatisfied with the results of their podcast

 

10 00:35:25

and giving up abandoning it because they've

 

10 00:35:28

forgotten what their initial goal was

 

10 00:35:32

and they've decided that if they can't achieve this next level

 

10 00:35:36

of success, it was all meaningless. So your

 

10 00:35:40

philosophical thought of the day. Anyway, again,

 

10 00:35:43

ericealwatching.com thanks Dave

 

10 00:35:47

thank you, Eric. Anybody that makes me think is my friend.

 

10 00:35:50

Speaking of friends, here's one of my favorite people, Ray from

 

10 00:35:54

aroundthelayout.com hello Dave and fellow school of

 

10 00:35:57

Podcasting listeners. This is Ray Arnott from Around the Layout

 

10 00:36:01

Podcast where model railroaders come to tell their story.

 

10 00:36:05

It's been quite some time since I've even looked at my downloads for the

 

10 00:36:08

podcast as being a niche podcast. I know my audience

 

10 00:36:12

is limited. Instead, I measure the success of around the Layout

 

10 00:36:15

Podcast by the engagement I get from members of the community.

 

10 00:36:19

Over the last four years, I've enjoyed several marketing partnerships that

 

10 00:36:23

continue to grow when I attend model railroading events. I'm

 

10 00:36:27

recognized for the podcast and attendees take time to provide me with

 

10 00:36:30

compliments and feedback. As heard here during a Because

 

10 00:36:34

of my podcast segment, a model railroading event invited me to be

 

10 00:36:38

their guest at the Sydney RPM in New South Wales, Australia.

 

10 00:36:42

Okay, we're going to stop just to make sure I have your attention. Ray

 

10 00:36:45

got a free trip business class to Australia

 

10 00:36:50

because of his podcast. How cool is that? But

 

10 00:36:53

wait, there's more. I've been asked to lead keynotes at

 

10 00:36:57

Railroad Prototype Modelers meets, submit articles and participate in

 

10 00:37:01

interviews about the podcast for Model Railroad Publications and

 

10 00:37:04

so much more. Lately I've been calling it the feel of

 

10 00:37:08

momentum versus statistics. Numbers alone will never tell

 

10 00:37:12

the story of my podcast, as it's not about how many,

 

10 00:37:16

it's more about who many and the amazingly engaged audience

 

10 00:37:20

I'm so blessed to have again. I host around the Layout

 

10 00:37:23

Podcast, a weekly Interview show where model railroaders from around the

 

10 00:37:27

globe come to tell their story and share their passions for the world's

 

10 00:37:30

greatest hobby. You can learn more@aroundthelayout.com

 

10 00:37:34

and I love that phrase, who many. It's not how

 

10 00:37:38

many people are listening, it's are the right people listening

 

10 00:37:42

to your show. And that's what Ray refers to as the who many.

 

10 00:37:46

And I've been mentioning how some of these contributors

 

10 00:37:50

should be networking together. And this next one already is.

 

10 00:37:54

You'll hear from his contributor a little later, but

 

10 00:37:57

this is the one, the only York. Hi, Dave.

 

10 00:38:01

This is York from Welcome to Earth Stories.

 

10 00:38:05

When I started my Show Back in 2017,

 

10 00:38:09

I wanted to be very clear with my objectives.

 

10 00:38:13

So I wrote them down. Objective number

 

10 00:38:17

one was to understand myself better.

 

10 00:38:21

Number two was to understand people better.

 

10 00:38:25

And number three was to understand the mind of

 

10 00:38:28

God. So every episode, that was the game

 

10 00:38:32

plan. But later on, I got bogged down with

 

10 00:38:36

the stats. I used to be somewhat

 

10 00:38:39

obsessed by it, constantly looking after

 

10 00:38:43

every episode to see how I'm doing. Not just

 

10 00:38:47

how I'm doing in Canada, where

 

10 00:38:50

I live, but how the show was doing in the States,

 

10 00:38:54

in India, in Japan, in Turkey, in

 

10 00:38:58

Jamaica. That's how far I took it.

 

10 00:39:01

That's all that I could think of. And slowly

 

10 00:39:05

but surely, I was forgetting the reason that I was

 

10 00:39:09

recording. So I had a change of mind.

 

10 00:39:12

I started going back and doing the things that I did before

 

10 00:39:17

recording for those three reasons. And

 

10 00:39:21

then the show improved because I wasn't just

 

10 00:39:25

looking at the success rate based on downloads, because that

 

10 00:39:28

fluctuates. I was looking at, am

 

10 00:39:32

I understanding people better myself Better? Are

 

10 00:39:35

my goals that I've set for myself back in

 

10 00:39:39

2017, do I see an improvement in

 

10 00:39:43

order to gain these improvements? Every episode

 

10 00:39:46

that I do, I try to go even one

 

10 00:39:50

step further by writing stories in a different

 

10 00:39:54

way, going out in the field and listening to

 

10 00:39:57

conversations that people are having and thinking of

 

10 00:40:00

ways that I could incorporate it into a story. So my

 

10 00:40:04

mind is always on stories.

 

10 00:40:08

When I'm watching a TV show, when I'm out grocery

 

10 00:40:11

shopping, whatever it is, I'm constantly thinking

 

10 00:40:15

of stories. And then I challenge myself one

 

10 00:40:19

step further. I create obstacles,

 

10 00:40:22

roadblocks in my way for so that I could overcome

 

10 00:40:25

those roadblocks. Why do I do this? Because I want

 

10 00:40:29

the show to be even more strange

 

10 00:40:33

and bizarre so that I could figure myself out

 

10 00:40:37

better, understand spiritual things and

 

10 00:40:41

understand people better. This goes beyond

 

10 00:40:44

the downloads, and because I've been doing that, I've been

 

10 00:40:48

noticing Tremendous success. Also, the show has

 

10 00:40:52

helped me to communicate better on a one to one

 

10 00:40:56

basis or even if I go up on stage, I feel

 

10 00:40:59

confident because I've been recording myself

 

10 00:41:03

since 2017. If you want to hear me communicate

 

10 00:41:07

strange, bizarre sci fi tales that

 

10 00:41:11

goes beyond a regular audio drama,

 

10 00:41:15

then listen to welcome to Earth stories at welcome

 

10 00:41:18

to earthstories.com Season

 

10 00:41:22

9 is coming out later on this year, but you can listen

 

10 00:41:26

through all previous seasons. This is sort of

 

10 00:41:30

like Twilight Zone and Black Mirror getting together

 

10 00:41:34

and having a baby. Thanks a lot, Dave Yorick. That

 

10 00:41:38

is a very cool way to describe your show. I love

 

10 00:41:41

that and just thank you. That was an amazing answer because

 

10 00:41:45

we really do. This is exactly what I'm talking about. We get

 

10 00:41:48

distracted and then we go off the rails. And when you go back to

 

10 00:41:53

wait, who am I talking to again? Oh, wait a minute. This isn't gonna

 

10 00:41:56

entertain them. This isn't gonna educate. This isn't gonna hold their attention.

 

10 00:42:00

So I love that. And like he said, the minute he went back to

 

10 00:42:04

like, who is this for? What am I trying to do? What are. And I

 

10 00:42:07

love the fact he's got his three. These are the three things that I'm doing

 

10 00:42:11

this show for. And he went back and refocused. What do you know?

 

10 00:42:15

Success was right around the corner. Very cool. Hello, Mr. Jackson.

 

10 00:42:19

All right. That was my dad. You can call me Dave. My name is Rob

 

10 00:42:23

Darrymple and I am the co host of the Softball Central podcast.

 

10 00:42:27

We help players, parents, coaches and fans navigate the world of fast

 

10 00:42:30

pitch softball. You can find

 

10 00:42:32

us@softballcentralpodcast.com

 

10 00:42:36

or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm kidding. I know you hate

 

10 00:42:40

that. I only added that part to get your dander up. It worked.

 

10 00:42:43

I almost gave you the buzzer. Well, I like to look at a few different

 

10 00:42:46

things. One is when a new episode comes out, I like to see

 

10 00:42:50

people that are listening to it. But I also go back and check the back

 

10 00:42:54

catalog to see if they've listened to any of those episodes. And when they

 

10 00:42:58

do, that's. That's a win for me. I like that

 

10 00:43:01

it means that the first episode they listen to they liked and they wanted

 

10 00:43:05

more of it. Next. I like to look at the geographic reach. How many different

 

10 00:43:09

countries are consuming our content? We have over 30

 

10 00:43:12

countries listening. 34 to be exact. And it just

 

10 00:43:16

tells me that our softball content resonates with

 

10 00:43:20

softball fans or players or coaches all

 

10 00:43:23

over the world. I just, I just get a kick out of that. Probably not

 

10 00:43:27

scalable because we'll eventually run out of countries, but seeing

 

10 00:43:31

over 30 countries that have consumed it makes me feel good. I also

 

10 00:43:34

watch website traffic. Are people visiting the site? More

 

10 00:43:38

importantly, are they clicking through to listen or to watch the

 

10 00:43:42

episodes? That behavior also tells me they're enjoying the content

 

10 00:43:45

and it's compelling enough that they want more. Then there's the

 

10 00:43:49

monetization. Because let's be real, podcasting costs money.

 

10 00:43:53

I don't care if it's just a hundred dollar microphone, it doesn't stop there, it

 

10 00:43:56

just keeps going. My current goal is pretty simple. Generate enough revenue

 

10 00:44:00

to cover my editing software. I use Riverside and

 

10 00:44:04

it's between 30 and 34 dollars a month. I would also like

 

10 00:44:07

to generate enough money to finally enroll in the school of podcasting.

 

10 00:44:11

Use the coupon code listnr when you sign up for either a monthly, quarterly

 

10 00:44:15

or yearly subscription. So these are just some of the things I do to

 

10 00:44:19

measure success and see if I'm winning or if I'm

 

10 00:44:23

learning. I heard that from you first, Dave, but I am pretty sure the

 

10 00:44:26

royalties will go to the Nelson Mandela estate. Thank you for allowing

 

10 00:44:30

me to be a part of this. I love almost everything you do. Almost.

 

10 00:44:35

Wait, what? Ciao. Next up, if you love history

 

10 00:44:39

and you love movies, you gotta check out Based on a True Story

 

10 00:44:42

podcast by my buddy Dan Lefebvre. Hi Dave. Dan

 

10 00:44:46

here from Based on a True Story. Outside of downloads, there are two key ways

 

10 00:44:50

that I measure the success of my podcast, and the first one boils down

 

10 00:44:53

to simply a yes or no question. Am I excited to work

 

10 00:44:57

on the next episode? The answer is yes, it's a success. In my

 

10 00:45:01

case, each episode is about a different movie or TV show,

 

10 00:45:05

so the only time I've really said no to whether or not I'm excited about

 

10 00:45:08

an episode is if the movie or TV show is not interesting to

 

10 00:45:12

me. In most cases, though, I find that once I start working

 

10 00:45:16

on that, it changes. And even if the movie or TV show is not really

 

10 00:45:20

one that I'm interested in, we all have movies or TV shows we don't really

 

10 00:45:22

like. I'm no different. But I usually am still fascinated by

 

10 00:45:26

the true story behind the movie, even if the movie itself is

 

10 00:45:30

not that interesting. The very few times that I was not

 

10 00:45:34

excited about covering a movie or TV show, and I wasn't that interested in learning

 

10 00:45:37

about the Truth Story, I simply picked a different topic. Since it's

 

10 00:45:41

my show, I get to work on the topics that interest me, and I

 

10 00:45:45

firmly believe that the episode will be better if I'm actually

 

10 00:45:49

interested in that topic instead of just phoning it in about a topic that I

 

10 00:45:52

don't care about. So that's one way that I measure the success of my podcast

 

10 00:45:56

by asking that question. The second way that I consider my podcast

 

10 00:46:00

as success might kind of be cheating based on how the question of the month

 

10 00:46:03

is worded, because it's not something that I can measure, at least not in my

 

10 00:46:07

lifetime. But I consider my podcast a success because it gives

 

10 00:46:11

me a reason to build a library of recordings for my only daughter.

 

10 00:46:14

I started my show back in 2016, so without a

 

10 00:46:18

decade of podcasting, I really doubt that I would have all of

 

10 00:46:22

these recordings of my voice that I can pass down to my daughter.

 

10 00:46:25

Actually, that's the primary reason that I added video to my podcast, so

 

10 00:46:29

it's not just audio that my daughter will be able to go back to long

 

10 00:46:33

after I'm gone. You see, in the early days of my podcast, when it was

 

10 00:46:36

audio only, I took my gear and recorded my parents

 

10 00:46:40

talking about family history. I'm going to jump in here. If you haven't done

 

10 00:46:44

this, do it now. I'm interviewing. I've been

 

10 00:46:47

secretly interviewing my aunt, who's 99, and it's just

 

10 00:46:50

pure gold. After I shared that recording with my immediate

 

10 00:46:54

family. It's only where it was shared. My daughter has told

 

10 00:46:58

me numerous times since then that she's glad that she'll be able to hear my

 

10 00:47:01

voice because of all the podcast recordings. And now with video, she'll

 

10 00:47:05

get to see me across hundreds of episodes, or maybe even her kids,

 

10 00:47:08

which she doesn't have any now, but maybe someday. I mean, I have

 

10 00:47:12

no idea what my grandfather sounds like because he died before I was born, but

 

10 00:47:16

I would love to have a library of audio and video that he or any

 

10 00:47:20

of my ancestors recorded to see and hear what they sounded like and

 

10 00:47:24

how they talked to others and how they interacted. Will my own descendants

 

10 00:47:28

care about the movies or TV shows that I'm talking about? Probably not. At least

 

10 00:47:31

not all of them. But I still consider my podcast a success

 

10 00:47:35

simply because it gives me a consistent reason to offer that

 

10 00:47:38

to future generations of my immediate family. Anyway,

 

10 00:47:42

those are two key ways that I measure the success of my podcast that have

 

10 00:47:45

nothing to do with downloads. Once again, this is Dan from Based on a True

 

10 00:47:49

Story, the podcast that compares Hollywood with history, which you can

 

10 00:47:52

find@basedonatruestorypodcast.com yeah, my

 

10 00:47:56

uncle, which was my aunt's. This is how that works. My. My uncle is my

 

10 00:47:59

aunt's brother and he died, I think at 87

 

10 00:48:03

or 80, I don't know. He was very old and he had all sorts of

 

10 00:48:06

stories and I didn't get a single one on tape,

 

10 00:48:10

so don't wait. And next up we have

 

10 00:48:15

Tim. Hey, Dave. This is Timothy Kimo Brian,

 

10 00:48:19

head instigator at Create Art Podcast, where I

 

10 00:48:22

help my listeners tame their inner critic and

 

10 00:48:26

create more than they consume. You can find it

 

10 00:48:29

atcreateartpodcast.com

 

10 00:48:33

I also have started a new podcast here in 2026

 

10 00:48:37

detailing my journey through Ms. With

 

10 00:48:40

my diagnosis happening in 2021.

 

10 00:48:45

That podcast is for folks that may have just had

 

10 00:48:49

the diagnosis or maybe going through the process of having the

 

10 00:48:52

diagnosis. You can find

 

10 00:48:54

it@mysolomsjourney.com

 

10 00:49:00

so let me start with my newest podcast

 

10 00:49:03

first. I realize it's not for everyone.

 

10 00:49:07

If you don't have Ms. Or you don't know anybody with ms,

 

10 00:49:11

it may not be for you. But I measure

 

10 00:49:15

success in that podcast with audience

 

10 00:49:19

feedback. And check this out. York, you just

 

10 00:49:23

heard him a bit ago, and Tim have been working together and

 

10 00:49:27

York gave Tim some feedback. He says, I enjoyed the first

 

10 00:49:30

episode of my solo Ms. Journey, especially the section

 

10 00:49:34

with the hot doctor. You'll have to

 

10 00:49:38

listen to it to find out what he's talking about. Schoolofpodcasting.com

 

10 00:49:42

42 but the bottom line is I'm getting

 

10 00:49:46

tips from York. If you've listened to York show, you know

 

10 00:49:49

he's fantastic. He continues on. Overall, I enjoyed

 

10 00:49:53

the episode with your vulnerability. People with Ms. Are going to

 

10 00:49:57

be impacted in a positive way. And also thank you for

 

10 00:50:01

your continued support. It's much appreciated.

 

10 00:50:05

Right there. I not only got, you know,

 

10 00:50:09

thanked for my show, the impact that it's going

 

10 00:50:12

to have, and some technical assistance as well,

 

10 00:50:16

which, you know, he and I do all the time back and forth to each

 

10 00:50:19

other. So it's reaching somebody,

 

10 00:50:23

even somebody that does not have ms, it's reaching somebody

 

10 00:50:27

and it's having an impact on them, which is

 

10 00:50:30

success in my book. Now, the next thing I wanted to share

 

10 00:50:34

with you is for Create Art Podcast.

 

10 00:50:39

Now in that podcast, I invite people to come on

 

10 00:50:42

and listen to the show if they want to be on the show,

 

10 00:50:46

tell their stories, talk about creativity

 

10 00:50:50

and inspiration and all that kind of good stuff. Well, I just recently

 

10 00:50:54

had a gentleman by the name of Daniel Curtis,

 

10 00:50:57

who's a composer, educator and speaker

 

10 00:51:01

exploring creativity. He's based in the UK

 

10 00:51:06

and he wrote to be on my show.

 

10 00:51:10

And what he wrote was I recently came across Create

 

10 00:51:14

Art Podcast and really Connected with the focus on artistic

 

10 00:51:17

journeys, creative practice, and the honest human experience

 

10 00:51:21

behind making work.

 

10 00:51:25

Now, for me, somebody from the UK

 

10 00:51:31

has listened to my show. The actual reach

 

10 00:51:35

of that is amazing.

 

10 00:51:39

I mean, we're reaching across the world,

 

10 00:51:43

literally, Dave, that's how you measure success.

 

10 00:51:46

Downloads are one way to do it, and that's fine, and that's

 

10 00:51:50

good. But when somebody connects

 

10 00:51:54

from thousands of miles away,

 

10 00:51:58

then you know you're doing something right.

 

10 00:52:03

And for the days when all I hear is crickets,

 

10 00:52:07

I go back to those emails, I go back to those interviews,

 

10 00:52:11

and I go, well, somebody's getting this. That's

 

10 00:52:15

right, somebody is getting it. Thank you so much, Tim. And batting

 

10 00:52:19

cleanup. That's right, the one, the only, Kim

 

10 00:52:22

Newlove. Hi, Dave. This is Kim Newlove with the Pharmacist's

 

10 00:52:26

Voice podcast and the Perrysburg Podcast. The Pharmacist's

 

10 00:52:30

Voice podcast explores pharmacy topics and careers,

 

10 00:52:33

so my audience feels connected to the profession of pharmacy and

 

10 00:52:37

inspired to contribute to it. You can find

 

10 00:52:40

that@the pharmacistsvoice.com

 

10 00:52:44

I also host a local podcast called the Perrysburg Podcast.

 

10 00:52:48

You can find it@harrysburgpodcast.com

 

10 00:52:51

It's a resource for future and current Perrysburg, Ohio, residents.

 

10 00:52:55

But of course, we attract visitors, former residents, et cetera.

 

10 00:52:59

And we talk about what's in Perrysburg and why people like to live here.

 

10 00:53:03

The website again is perrysburgpodcast.com Now,

 

10 00:53:07

Kim provided a list, but I'm here to tell you this

 

10 00:53:10

is exactly what I was looking for. And that is, we

 

10 00:53:14

think we're not moving anywhere because we don't realize there are

 

10 00:53:18

so many different ways to measure success. And

 

10 00:53:22

so here is Kim going over her list. Yeah,

 

10 00:53:25

numbers provide social proof that people are listening. Yeah, I

 

10 00:53:29

get that. But there's so many other things, like growing as a person

 

10 00:53:33

and helping my voice to mature.

 

10 00:53:37

You know, feeling confident and sounding confident while stepping up

 

10 00:53:41

to the mic. I used to have to write out pretty much

 

10 00:53:44

exactly what I was going to say before I said it, but now I can

 

10 00:53:47

operate off of an outline and let myself

 

10 00:53:51

just go with it. I'm going to elaborate on some of these. Creative

 

10 00:53:54

fulfillment. I'll tell you, there's so much creative fulfillment

 

10 00:53:58

if you're a podcaster already, you know that every episode's

 

10 00:54:02

your baby, and it's so satisfying to publish that.

 

10 00:54:05

And it's creative fulfillment. I feel

 

10 00:54:09

like I'm aligned with my why. So I'm on number three here. It's

 

10 00:54:13

a good feeling to create a show and be able to tell somebody. Yeah.

 

10 00:54:17

My show explores pharmacy topics and careers, so my audience

 

10 00:54:20

feels connected to the profession of pharmacy and inspired to

 

10 00:54:24

contribute to it. I feel so aligned with that. Every time I step up to

 

10 00:54:28

the mic, that's success. That's podcasting success. The fourth one

 

10 00:54:32

was audience feedback. When listeners respond and

 

10 00:54:35

they either thank me or ask questions or, you know, text me

 

10 00:54:39

and say, I've never listened to your show, but this is the episode that got

 

10 00:54:42

me to listen. That's amazing. That's so fulfilling. That's

 

10 00:54:46

podcasting success. Number five is

 

10 00:54:49

social capital. I mean, you meet so many people when you're a

 

10 00:54:53

podcaster, you earn relationships. You don't

 

10 00:54:57

just talk to somebody, but you earn it through an interview.

 

10 00:55:00

Through talking to someone, you build trust, you get relationships.

 

10 00:55:04

If you're a guest, you get visibility with their audience. You get

 

10 00:55:08

credibility in your community and professional circles. When you talk

 

10 00:55:12

about certain things, you become an expert. People put you on this pedestal.

 

10 00:55:15

Kim Newlove is a drug pronunciation expert.

 

10 00:55:19

And then number six, I mentioned growing a backbone. All right,

 

10 00:55:23

Any podcaster that's been around for long enough to attract

 

10 00:55:27

sponsors or potential sponsors knows that you have to say

 

10 00:55:31

no to the ones who are not in alignment with your show or

 

10 00:55:34

who you are. So podcasting, a podcasting

 

10 00:55:38

success for me has been saying no to people who are

 

10 00:55:42

not in alignment with my show, and I'm gonna pop in. That is

 

10 00:55:45

huge in so many areas, not just in podcasting,

 

10 00:55:49

but in your life. Saying no can help you

 

10 00:55:53

in so many ways because we just spread ourselves too thin.

 

10 00:55:57

We get involved in things that we're not supposed to do. So let's go back

 

10 00:56:00

to Kim. Number seven is unexpected opportunities.

 

10 00:56:04

Because of my local podcast, I got contacted by a Shark

 

10 00:56:07

Tank participant. I had talked about buying

 

10 00:56:11

Storyworth for my mom so she could create a memoir. And

 

10 00:56:14

this was a Christmas gift for her. And then for my dad, I purchased

 

10 00:56:18

Remento as a Christmas gift so he could also create

 

10 00:56:21

a memoir. I would like his stories, please, before. You know, I want my parents

 

10 00:56:25

stories before they're gone. I don't mean to be morbid, but that's the reason

 

10 00:56:29

that I purchased these products. I'm just going to throw this in here,

 

10 00:56:33

and hopefully I can say this sentence. I don't

 

10 00:56:37

remember what my mom sounds like because

 

10 00:56:40

I think there's, like, one videotape where she was, you

 

10 00:56:44

know, somebody was doing, like, a camcorder on their shoulder kind of thing because she

 

10 00:56:48

died in 1989. And it's weird

 

10 00:56:52

to say that so I'm just here to say, as someone who would probably

 

10 00:56:55

crumble into a bunch of pieces if I actually heard it,

 

10 00:56:59

I'm out here to tell you, your kids will thank you. So the owner

 

10 00:57:03

of the company Remento, and he was featured on Shark Tank,

 

10 00:57:07

reached out to me because of my show notes. The word

 

10 00:57:10

remento and the link to the Remento website showed up on a Google

 

10 00:57:14

alert for him. So he reached out via email. And I didn't see

 

10 00:57:18

the email for at least a week because, you know, it's a local podcast. I

 

10 00:57:21

don't check my email for that podcast very often. And so why do

 

10 00:57:25

you write good show notes on your website? That's why. And

 

10 00:57:29

so we had a conversation. It was probably 20 to 25 minutes.

 

10 00:57:32

And he just wanted to know if I did, in fact, buy the product and

 

10 00:57:36

if I did, how it was going. And I thought that was amazing.

 

10 00:57:40

So because of my podcast, I had this unexpected opportunity.

 

10 00:57:44

Number eight is giving back to my community. The Perrysburg Podcast is

 

10 00:57:48

a service project. So just jumping in quick enough to say,

 

10 00:57:51

there's that service word again. With every episode, I feel like I'm

 

10 00:57:55

giving something back to my community. Number 10,

 

10 00:57:58

publishing consistently. All right, when I started the

 

10 00:58:02

Pharmacist's Voice podcast back in 2019, I published

 

10 00:58:06

episode one, and then I started publishing weekly, and I

 

10 00:58:10

stuck with it for six years, and I considered that a big success.

 

10 00:58:14

Now, over the years, I've gotten busier, my priorities have changed, et

 

10 00:58:18

cetera. So I have gone to a monthly publication schedule,

 

10 00:58:22

and I actually get more daily downloads now than I

 

10 00:58:25

did publishing weekly, which I did not expect.

 

10 00:58:29

So there's two podcasting wins, I guess. One is related to

 

10 00:58:32

downloads, though, so that doesn't count. But still, me personally, I

 

10 00:58:36

published for six years straight every single week, and I thought that was

 

10 00:58:40

pretty darn good. Number 11, participating in the

 

10 00:58:44

podcasting community. I feel like because I joined the school of

 

10 00:58:47

podcasting, I have met so many people, and I feel like

 

10 00:58:51

I'm really friends with them. Steve Stewart, you are a great example. I know you

 

10 00:58:55

always listen to the school of podcasting, but he grew up not too far

 

10 00:58:59

from where I live now, and, you know, I feel like we have so much

 

10 00:59:02

in common, podcasting, but then growing up in Northwest Ohio, and

 

10 00:59:06

he's been on one of my podcasts, so there's just so many things.

 

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Participating in a community, caring about the same thing, meeting people,

 

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and it's such a rising tides lifts all

 

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boats. Community, this podcasting community. And thank you all for

 

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making Me feel like I am in the community. It's such

 

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a win. I know this is getting long, so I'm going to lump the

 

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next four together. Here's the deal. I run this local podcast,

 

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the Perrysburg Podcast. In that podcast, I have made a point

 

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to interview faith community leaders, because, let's face it, when

 

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you are a religious person and you move to a new town, finding that

 

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church home makes you feel like you're at home even though you're away

 

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from home. Hope that makes sense. So I interviewed

 

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the bishop of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in

 

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my town. Because I did that interview, I got invited to

 

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go on a tour of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day

 

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Saints in my town. And during that tour, I got to see

 

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their family Search center. My dad has been

 

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wanting to update our family genealogy for years.

 

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Years and years. The staff offered to help us. So

 

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I made some appointments in August for my dad and me to go in

 

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and talk to the staff and find out how we can move forward

 

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with this genealogy project that is so important to my

 

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dad. So for Father's Day, I gave him this card. And

 

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inside it, it gave the dates and times that we have these appointments

 

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with the staffer. And I think he was kind of speechless.

 

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Let's just say he was speechless. It's something he's always wanted to do. No,

 

10 01:00:43

he didn't cry or anything like that. But, yes, it was meaningful. And

 

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that is a connection that money can't measure.

 

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Making that connection with the bishop and going on the tour,

 

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seeing the Family search center, meeting the staff and

 

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giving him hope that we're going to move forward with this project.

 

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As he's 76, you never know how many years you have

 

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left. So I made a connection that money can't measure

 

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because of my podcast, and that is podcasting success.

 

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I sure hope you're still with me, because she's got more. But

 

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that's just a classic example of you start talking into

 

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a microphone in Perrysburg, Ohio, and you have

 

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no idea what it's going to lead to. What an amazing story.

 

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But wait, there's more. Number 18 on my

 

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list is preserving memories. I had a bunch of podcast

 

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interviews with my friend Asha, Dr. Asha Pai

 

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Bohannon. She meant so much to me. And

 

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then she, unfortunately, unexpectedly died

 

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on June 7, 2024. So I had all

 

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this material of recorded conversations with her. I have

 

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narrated one of her audiobooks. We've met in person, we've gone to

 

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conferences together. We've exchanged Christmas cards. I Mean, this is a personal

 

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friend, and I lost her unexpectedly, and I'm gonna try not

 

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to cry when I talk about this. But a podcasting success for me

 

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has been preserving her memory. I did a podcast

 

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episode where I talked about my favorite things

 

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about her. I read her obituary in the

 

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episode, and it was a way for me to remember her.

 

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And let's just say I pledged during that podcast episode to

 

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listen to that episode every June 7th on her death

 

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anniversary. And I have done it. She died in

 

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2024. I listened to it in 2025 and

 

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this year in 2026. So just this month as I record this, it is June

 

10 01:02:40

27, 2026. So I just listened to it

 

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a couple weeks ago. Preserving memories is

 

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important. After she died, I got to listen to her voice.

 

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Preserving memories is a great opportunity, and when you actually do,

 

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it is a podcasting success. I'm so sorry

 

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to hear that, and thanks for sharing that. And I know we've hit

 

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that point a couple times because it's important. And I'm here to tell you,

 

10 01:03:06

you always think you have tomorrow. My great nephew just graduated

 

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from high school, and I was a guy that was always going to go to

 

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every game, and I was going to be like, Uncle Number One. And I think

 

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I saw him play twice. And I apologized to him at the

 

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party. I said, you know, your uncle's always here for you, even though I

 

10 01:03:23

wasn't there at the games. And I just, you know, you think there's

 

10 01:03:27

always one more game. Oh, I'll do it tomorrow. Father Time is

 

10 01:03:31

undefeated. Number 19 was keeping a promise to yourself. I just talked

 

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about how I pledged to listen to that podcast episode every June

 

10 01:03:39

7th, and I have done it. Number 20, using

 

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podcasting as a personal archive.

 

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Dave Jackson has talked about this so many times. Podcasting

 

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can help you preserve stories, memories, relationships, and moments

 

10 01:03:53

that might otherwise fade over time. I

 

10 01:03:57

just talked about my friend Asha. There are so many other

 

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things. You get so many light bulb moments.

 

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Light bulb moments when you podcast. Right. You get to

 

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grow as a person, and you can almost see that

 

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transformation. You can hear that transformation if you have an audio podcast

 

10 01:04:16

in a single episode. I remember having a podcast episode

 

10 01:04:20

on the Pharmacist Voice podcast where I was learning about DEI

 

10 01:04:23

from Dr. Simone Sloan, and we talked about how

 

10 01:04:27

empathy goes a long way, and until we trust each other, we don't listen

 

10 01:04:31

to each other. And that was a light bulb moment for me.

 

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So not only can you use podcasting as a personal

 

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archive to remind yourself to listen to a Podcast episode

 

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featuring a friend that you lost. But you can also listen to those

 

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light bulb moments and I'll tell you. I am currently

 

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using the Perrysburg podcast as a personal archive so I

 

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can write a book about it. Hopefully I'll get it done here in

 

10 01:04:57

2026. That is my goal. But you can use

 

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podcasting as a personal archive to draw from

 

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to write a book. I do a show called

 

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betterdave.com it's horrible for the most part,

 

10 01:05:10

but what's weird, it's my smallest audience. I get maybe 70 download for

 

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that show. And yet when I don't do one in a while,

 

10 01:05:18

my audience will be like, hey, where's better? And it literally, as I look back,

 

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I can remember things now from holidays

 

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and a lot of times it's me trying to deep think or

 

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it's just me being very silly or very third grade potty

 

10 01:05:33

humor in some cases. But it is a way to. I

 

10 01:05:37

now look back and go, I totally forgot about that. And that's just because I've

 

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journaled most of my life and sometimes I'll do one and go,

 

10 01:05:44

I think this is entertaining. So absolutely. It's really

 

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cheap therapy. When I was in my

 

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second marriage, it got dark. I mean, like dark.

 

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And I could not. It was weird. I was, I don't know,

 

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60 miles from all my friends, and yet I felt so alone.

 

10 01:06:03

And one of the ways I would just, it's a creative release

 

10 01:06:07

was to record an episode of Building a Better Dave and

 

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try to make people laugh. Which is weird when you're feeling really,

 

10 01:06:14

really bad and depressed and lonely and things like that. But it

 

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can be an interesting form of therapy.

 

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Now, some people will go, I wouldn't recommend that. I always say, remember the Internet

 

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writes in ink and don't talk about your family and your podcast.

 

10 01:06:29

But if you want to talk about you, you can. But absolutely agree with

 

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that point. All these personal archive stories

 

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are podcasting success to me. And number

 

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21 is measuring success philosophically, not just

 

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numerically, which ties in very much to building a better Dave. Again,

 

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sometimes I try to think over there and I think that's what this assignment was

 

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all about. It's not just about the downloads, it's

 

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all the podcasting successes that are philosophical. The

 

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things that you got right, the things you are doing right, the things

 

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that you learn, the personal growth you experience.

 

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One person I didn't mention from the school of podcasting is the

 

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host of AI Goes to College, Craig Van Slyke.

 

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He helped me grow as a person by helping Me learn how to use

 

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AI. He is a great teacher. And

 

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I gotta say that, like, you know, I've grown as a person because of him.

 

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And Dave and Steve Stewart and Gordon Firemark.

 

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All the people that I've met through podcasting downloads are just one metric,

 

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okay? But the bigger measures of success are the fulfillment, the

 

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personal growth, the relationships, the service to community. For

 

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me, anyway, the courage that I've earned through going

 

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through hard times. You grow through what you go through, right?

 

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Consistency and schedule, all those memories made and the

 

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impact that you make. I mean, you can't measure impact, but, you

 

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know, making an impact as a podcasting success, so

 

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many things. So that is my answer, Dave. Hope that was long enough

 

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for you. I know you always worry that people are not going to

 

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answer your questions of the month, but hope you all learned something from it

 

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again. This is Kim Newlove from the Pharmacist's Voice podcast and the

 

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Perrysburg Podcast. Happy podcasting, everyone. Thank you,

 

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Kim. For me, I measure

 

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my success by members of the school of podcasting. And you heard

 

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many of them here today, by the way, in case you ever wonder.

 

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Everybody's welcome to contribute to the question

 

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of the month. And so it's

 

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always kind of fun because in January, my numbers go up because everybody says, this

 

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is the year I'm going to start a podcast. And in February, my numbers go

 

10 01:08:43

down because not everybody does. But also in February, my

 

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memberships typically go up because there are people

 

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that do want to start a podcast or grow their

 

10 01:08:55

podcast or they need feedback or whatever it is. And so

 

10 01:08:58

it's always interesting because my numbers go down in February as my membership goes

 

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up. And that's why I always ask, how are you going to measure your success?

 

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Because you need to identify that so you can

 

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figure out how to tweak your content. But the other thing, I

 

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also, I guess, measure, and it's

 

10 01:09:18

not really measurement. This is my why I love to

 

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help podcasters. I've got some. We're doing the podcasting in

 

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six weeks course, and I'm working with a lot of new podcasters.

 

10 01:09:29

And I love taking people that come to me and say, there's no way I'm

 

10 01:09:33

going to be able to do this. I hate technology. And then,

 

10 01:09:36

you know, a month and a half later, they're an apple. That, to me,

 

10 01:09:40

watching them kind of transform is

 

10 01:09:44

that just puts a huge amount of gas in my tank. That's why I

 

10 01:09:47

do ask the podcast coach where you can get free podcast consulting.

 

10 01:09:52

That's just something because I'M a people pleaser, but I measure my

 

10 01:09:55

success by members of the School of Podcasting. But much like

 

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Chris and other people said, I also am having fun.

 

10 01:10:03

As I look at this, we are so over the normal time. But

 

10 01:10:07

I actually had fun. Even though he said, pulling up the

 

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timer, I've already spent three hours working on this

 

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episode because I have. I had to cut these down because,

 

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you know, my show's usually 45 minutes or so and

 

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I might start making that shorter over the next

 

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couple episodes. We'll see. But that's my why I do

 

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it. Why that's how I measure my success by members of the

 

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School of Podcasting. And I'll have a coupon

 

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code for you right after this.

 

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The School of Podcasting. Yeah, yeah,

 

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yeah. The coupon code, if you want to sign up at the School of

 

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Podcasting is listnr. You can use that on either a monthly,

 

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quarterly or yearly subscription. And don't forget that comes with a 30 day

 

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money back guarantee. So if you're worried that maybe podcasting is

 

10 01:11:00

not for you, you got 30 days to figure that out. The one

 

10 01:11:04

thing, the one answer that came up the most is people

 

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mention feedback when I get feedback

 

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from my audience. So I'm here to tell you that

 

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sometime this week, when you're listening to a show, if they delivered

 

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value, just send them a message that says, hey,

 

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that was a great episode. That's really all you have to say. If you want

 

10 01:11:26

to say why, that's true. But I

 

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see from my chair that people quit

 

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podcasting when they don't get their why and they just

 

10 01:11:37

feel like it's not worth it. And if we were to spur each other

 

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on and say, that was a great episode when it was a great

 

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episode, I think we might not have as many people

 

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hanging up the microphone. So with that, we're going to

 

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call it a day. If you need help again with your podcast, you know where

 

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to find me. Schoolofpodcasting.com thank you to every

 

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single person who chimed in. Holy cow.

 

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I really was just floored. That. That put a lot of gas in my

 

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tank and I really appreciate it. Again,

 

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schoolofpodcasting.com 1042 is where you

 

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can find links to everyone's show. And next

 

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week we're gonna be talking about trolls

 

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and feedback. We talked about feedback today to

 

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next week. We're gonna kind of continue on and we're going to introduce the topic

 

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of dealing with trolls. You can always follow the show

 

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by going to schoolofpodcasting.com follow

 

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and follow in whatever your favorite app is there. And until

 

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next week, I'm Dave Jackson. I help podcasters.

 

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Been doing it for over 20 years and can't wait to see what

 

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we're going to do together. And until next week, take care.

 

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God bless. Class is dismissed.

 

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Yeah.